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Gareth
As captain of Dundrum CC I have to say it was a difficult situation for me to be in and could not make the call myself as matters like this have to go in front of the team. Due to us playing saturday and sunday for the past 3 weeks or so and after fielding around 90 to 100 overs in two days our boys were shattered. It would have been unfair for me to ask one of them to go out and field another fifty overs in what would have been an awkward situation for various reasons. In terms of sportsmanship, you can ask almost any team that have played against us and they'll tell you that we are one of the most sporting teams in the NCU. Unfortunately for you your man got injured and you had no one to sub field (I even said we'd mark the book which our players hate doing!). If I was in the same position (and it has happened to me twice this year) I would not ask the opposing captain for a sub fielder. Moreover the man that was injured batted on and would have stayed til the end if he hadn't of been caught. Also after the sub fielder went on he was seen standing at the side of the ground watching for a good while, the same that he had done at slip.
I do not want to get into a slanging match but I am a little surprised and disappointed that this matter has been brought to the forum and that you do not understand the position that I was in.
I trust that this will not lead to a bad relationship between the clubs and think you should take an objective view towards the situation.
Good luck for the rest of the season and I hope the injured party recovers soon.
Taito,
I refer you to Weedys post. Dundrum allowed their scorer to field but they refused. I can't see how any part of it could be construed as gamesmanship. I think Gareth realises that and maybe regrets his post.
gareth, defintely sour grapes, the decision lies with dundrum as they have no obligatoion to give you a sub fielder. In saying that i have never played in a game where a team has refused to give the opposition a sub fileder if required.
the table is getting very tight at the bottom in section 2 , as three out of the four bottom teams got a win over the weekend
Might sound like sour grapes? Catch yourself on. IT IS SOUR GRAPES. Do football, rugby, hockey, etc lend opposition a player? I think not. It up to Dundrum whether they should or not. It also puts pressure on Armagh skipper. Where do they put him in the field? Covers, slip, maybe wicket-keeper, or is he going to run from deep fine leg at the end of every over to deep fine leg. Does Dundrum give you a players who has already batted, or yet to bat. In the heat of yesterday, Should Dundrum give Armagh their best fielder or worst fielder? Where does it actually end. Dundrum made the right decision not giving you anyone. If you don't have the subs with you to back up your players, don't expect other teams to do it for you. End off story.....
gareth, sounds like sour grapes to me. I played my last game at CIYMS on sat fielding with injured back for 37 overs & its up to every club to bring subs(not sure if they allowed) i personally wouldnt dream of asking CIYMS for a fielder risking him possible injury or even worse contributing too help beat his own team.tell you one thing yous done enough BITCHING yesterday about it,the player in question chose too stay on batting when INJURED so theirfore risked more pain so then you crywolf when he changes his mind about fielding. We offered too let your scorer field&we would mark the book but you declined.not that it matters but you could have brought as sub with you (forgot you couldnt get a team last sunday). really think its petty that you try too blame Dundrum & think you be better trying too run your own club as if you check the LAWS OF CRICKET Dundrum didnt break any.ps we laid on free food in the DUNDRUM INN for yous but yous didnt turn up ah well the GRAPES were eatn.
Come on Gareth get real in today's world. Substitute fielders should be abolished. What other sport expects the opposition to provide a sub when a player is injured? And is the sub really a part of the fielding team? He's spy in the camp!
It's the most stupid thing in cricket. If a team wants to protect itself against injury it should travel with a 12th man.
Just back from a decent game at Dundrum and this might sound like sour grapes after losing an important match, but I was very disappointed with the way Dundrum decided to play their cricket. Our all-rounder David Bullick hurt his back while batting and required a runner which was no problem, but at the innings break Dundrum refused to provide a substitute to field for the clearly injured player who went on to field thirty something overs at slip in clear pain and virtually unable to move. Certainly no obligation on Dundrum to provide a subsitute under the rules, but in a sporting game I really could not believe their refusal. Maybe thats the way to go about winning cricket matches.
nap.musaaalem.eway midships,fathom hill. think casual conquest has new approach 2 beat.
danny, believe me the odds should read 1/2 ciyms 4/1 dundrum 50/1 draw. but forecast very good pity that both teams have games on sunday as win lose or draw the bar takings will be down.
Michael, your not wrong i have played for quiet a while now and there is no doubt the standard of local cricket has dropped from maybe 10 fifteen years ago. But in comparison to the last few years in section 2 at least i doubt there has been a stronger league. Its a very tough league our results can vouch for that, i hope your right about us bouncing back , im sure you are right.
Taito, if it is not the strongest it could be the most competitive. A lot of older players feel the standard of club cricket has dropped in recent years and you only need to look at some clubs like yourselves, Woodvale, Ballymena, and Lurgan and accept the current team is not as strong as in former years. That said, two teams up and down every season is going to bring out the competitive streak in everyone so maybe that's why the league is so 'strong'. Anyway good luck as Downpatrick will bounce back. There's plenty of talent there.
Jeff
Odds for tomorrow at Belmont? CIYMS 4/5 Dundrum 2/1??
Should be a great game and good weather
Yes taito I was chatting with a few very experienced players who had played both section 1 and section 2 and they said that this years section 2 is the strongest they can remember. I keep saying to myself, this is a big game this weekend but they just seem to get bigger as the weeks go on. Huge weekend for us guys.
jeff, i have been doing a bit of work for a change, but i suppose the start we have had might have something to do with my silence. Long long way to go though, i was discussing it with a few boys from other teams this season and the general consensu is that this is the strongest section 2 that they can remember. Anybody agree or disagree? Big game tomorrow , that many thought would have been a top of the table game but has turned out to be top vs bottom game, cricket is a funny game
think if CHINESE WHITE acts on epsom downs it has great chance of winning the oaks ,eway dunelight,unshakable,ladies best , nap soldier of fortune.anyone fancy poland too win euros 80 1 worth 5£ &holland 16 1,?ps tayto, you very quiet ?isnt it great in section 2 knowing that every game can be won or lost
