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I no it looks as if i was blaming the NCU but i wasnt it was just frustration an even the chairman agrees that the rule needs changed just it looks silly for the game of cricket that we all love to play an watch an the pity that both coaches wont get too play in front of a good crowd and superb cricket ground! re wylie ive been loads agms an you have more chance of finding osama bin laden that getn something changed example senior club had 4 votes they voted 2 for againest .lol but point taken. ps tayto wen you pay the 40£ you owe too ian bothams charity ill start bantering again bye the way heard u had bet on yourself too drop craig mcmillan last night ? did you get payed .
What constitutes a pro? If getting paid constitutes a pro surely there are a few Senior 1 sides who will be drafting in some 2nd XI players? Or do they have to be registered pro's who the NCU have approved and if this is the case then the rules are there to help the richer clubs to win the Challenge Cup? All players, who are paid to play, are pros in my eyes..........
the 'pro' referred to in this debate is technically the overseas player.
nobdy in the world plays 60 over games except possibly in the Thames Valley League where the rule book resembles a phone book so lets not get too wound up about the NCU book! If one really looks at the term "Challenge Cup" surely last season's winners should be "challenged" by the others i.e all the other teams should play a knock-out competition for the right to "challenge" the holders! Now there's one for the AGM!
yeah but if you talk to most people they want it reduced from 50 overs. we need to make people relise that there is more than 20 20 cricket
craig, thats why it is 50 overs not 20
Just thinking….
60 over Cricket - where & when will Ireland ever play a 60 over game!!!???
You have to prepare the future of Irish Cricket in an environment that will help to develop their game(s) and 60 over Cricket is not that!
I’m yet to play in this season’s Challenge Cup, so forgive me if I’m wrong but in my opinion it should be the same rules as the Irish Senior Cup (Full ODI rules with power play etc), surely if you want to make any changes to the current Cup format then this would make the most/best logical sense for change.
Regarding Pro’s playing in the Challenge Cup – if you want a competition to be fair to all clubs evolved then you need one set of rules & conditions to apply to all clubs/teams. The Competition should not be there to give the underdog a helping hand and currently it does.
From my own playing point of view I couldn’t care less who we play as long as the rules are the same for both teams, simply surely…… however it never is!
Good luck to all the teams still involved in this season's Challenge Cup.
yeah but you also have to players can can play for long innings and not 20/20 slogging
craig, 60 overs shouldnt be brought back in as irish cricket needs to move with the times. 60 over competitions went out with the ark. In an environment where we are trying to get more young people to become interested in cricket or continue to play, lenghtening games would certainly not be the way forward to do so.
re ryan h
y do u think that 60 overs shouldnt be brought back in the challange cup. its called the challenge cup. they need to make it a challenge.
Re Rodney...
All Premier League "pros" are not necessarity first class players! We have a club cricketer Daniel Harding at NDCC.
If a club has taken the initiative and signed a pro they must be rewarded by the union allowing him to play in all competitions irrespective of opponents.
Re Craig McK - No!
do u think that the challenge cup should be back to 60 overs a side
Rodney
I'm not sure the Premier Clubs would go for the idea of them not being allowed to play their Pros but Section 1 are - despite the difference in playing standards!
My own thought is that the 12 o'clock start for the Challenge Cup still harks back to the days when it was a 60 over competition and hence the earlier start time at this time of the year than say the Junior Cup.
I agree wylie thats what the AGM is for however regarding what rule is best I would propose allowing section 1 pros to play and preventing premier league pros from playing against teams from a lesser league. If you think about it, the pros in Section 1 aren't really pros because they come over as amateurs and the NCU don't allow first class players. Surely the premier league teams would still be strong enough to beat the section 1 teams even if the section 1 teams have a pro in their side? If not then does it not tell you something about the standard of cricket in the premier league?
Regarding the start times I can see why the NCU have not taken in to consideration school boys as most clubs playing in the challenge cup won't have school boys in their side (maybe I'm wrong), however it's maybe a proposal that should be made at the AGM.
Just a thought.
Rodney
Jeff and others - it was us at Lisburn who proposed the change to the rule about professionals in the cup. Anyone who was at that AGM will no doubt remember it well, particularly the "debate" I engaged in with Murray Power over the wording of the changes. Our first preference was to just simply remove the ban and allow pros to play (as you have suggested should be the case), but despite that explanation being provided in the narrative accompanying our proposal, because of a technical drafting error, we could not move it at the meeting.
We had put in the rule that was eventually passed as a fallback - our thinking was that there may be lower section clubs, like yourselves, who might feel that it would be unfair for a PL club to play their pro against theirs, as the NCU rules are different in terms of the playing standards of the pro in PL and in Section 1. Despite a similar drafting issue being raised by Murray, and a fairly lengthy conversation about it,we were able to get round that on the night and have it passed. However, it was, I repeat, our second preference.
Wylie is right though - it can be changed at the AGM. It will certainly get the backing of Lisburn CC if you want to prepare it - just be very careful about how you draft it!!!!!!!!
