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UNLIKE YOU IM MAN ENOUGH TO POST MY NAME . First of all both players are cleared to play and i dont make the rules we are not in section one but all the clubs now againest them all had coaches and loads with the BROWN ENVELOPES so whats changed ? no money ?
This is my personal opinion NO OVERSEAS COACH inc premier should EVER been here unless he was working in schools as outside the premiership clubs are on the ropes. 75% juniors outside the NCU squads want shorter game as we are fighting againest other sports that take considerably less time and the overseas help going into schools is crucial for small clubs unless your lucky to have volunteers that dont work.
Lets take Dundrum we have been in schools last 7 years coaching in at least 10 schools FREE of charge and still always under pressure but even without the overseas coach we still are going try again altho we have had to cut the scheme from 8 weeks to four = the kids miss out and i fear next year we might have cancel it = who loses out the kids Dundrum NCU and the game of cricket that we are trying to promote . Look at Gaelic got the best set up in sport in all there primary schools as they got the money and the forward thinking as thats how you build clubs every club has the right to run there own affairs and unless im mistaken time will tell who is right or wrong as the clubs bringing overseas are both involved with over 18 schools that i ADMIRE and id think and BET that they have had legal advice and discussiion with the NCU.
I AGREE that i no nothing about the law as left school at 14 with a SPIRIT LEVEL but ive played 45 years and worked for my club FREE all my life missed my sisters wedding to play cricket and dont regret it.
But ill tell you this we got rid of a SUPERB player that scored 1180 runs and 29 wks as we didnt think he put even close to the effort we require in schools and juniors altho im not after a match winner i want sumone who can improve and motivate kids that want play club cricket . . I WONT BE DEBATING with anyone that cant post his name or club as your entitled to your opinion but man up and post your name as i can only defend the game i love and happy to discuss the way forward to get more people playing as thats what Dundrum are trying very hard to do and will hopefully continue

.PS If you can tell me even in cockney slang that you think the clubs involved have not read the the ncu and home office guide lines as lot smart men in both clubs

Interesting to see Dandekar coming back to NI as an unpaid cricket player. He must love our wee country....

Although given the NCUs quick decision making on such matters his registration may be declined in July!

Would say it is inevitable that this bad blood will spill onto the field of play this year.

Man up and play 11 locals. It's funny to see clubs accepting their elevated position in leagues is because of a man they fly in every summer. Calls for some club members to put back into their clubs, so what? The majority are happy too to help out their clubs.

As for Mr Maguire. You must be getting solicitor advice from the back of Del boys Van. It's on the interweb, read it!

Calling Ivan Lapsley

Ivan,
My name is Harry Tait.
I used to come to St Johnston many times.
How's your brother Arthur?
We met some years ago when he lived in Perth.
Cheers.

Wilfy,

Ok so Dandekar is coming over on a sports visitors visa to play cricket for no money and just visit our great country after being declined a tier 5 visa to play as a professional for Muckamore? (He cannot offer coaching services even for free under that visa)

I'm also struggling to understand how the cloney pro is going to be registered by the NCU given he is clearly making a living from the game and will be coaching which again he cannot do under the SVV.

i feel sorry for both pros that were rejected but Lurgan and Armagh Were aware of the rules on the matter, 7 other clubs also offered reminders...

NCU should reject these standard visitors visas to avoid any controversy, like I said before things could get very messy.

Wilfy
I think there may be a bit of winding up going on in your post. The ncu surely could not accept the registration of dandekar as an amateur under a standard visitor visa when he was initially applying For a tier 5 professional visa? Therefore admitting he is a professional cricketer and in breach of the standard visitor visa rules. So whether he gets that visa or not the ncu would know he is in breach of the visa. Can't happen surely. Since I have injured my knee it will not affect me this season but I just cannot grasp clubs trying to get around these new laws it's not ideal for all the clubs not having primarily a Cosch but get on with it and play eleven locals against eleven locals for this season. Even playing field.

I would like to express my sympathy to the Wiseman Family upon the sad news of the passing of Jim Wiseman.
Jim was a gentleman whom I held in high regard. I regularly chatted to him about cricket whilst travelling to work on train and he was a very pleasant and kind man. He was also an excellent umpire and as Paddy stated in his piece on Cricket Ireland officiated at many matches. It was always good as a scorer to have him in middle as he appreciated your job and the work that you and your fellow scorers put in.
My thoughts and prayers are with Jim's family and indeed Lisburn CC at this very sad time.

Due to a cry off. Muckamore 2nds are able to host any section 2 or 3 clubs and any 2nd eleven on sat this week. And clubs looking a friendly contact Richard keates on 07790005260

As an ex pupil of CIYMS Chris Beattie can i offer my thoughts with all at ciyms and the cntire beattie family. Chris was an absolute gentleman throughout my time at school and also after on the pitch playing against him. Enjoyed a few pints with him also. Terrible loss

My point was that some teams that have decided to abide by the law were breaking the law for years

But at least NCU have made a statement on who can play as an amateur under the visitor visa and it will be great to see Dandekar back playing for Lurgan
However a bit disappointed for Niranjan being blocked after 15 years of promoting cricket in the Lurgan area
Ps
As for breaking the law ! I would love to see the PAYE records for all clubs in the NCU.

As usual the NCU have shown no leadership on the overseas issue. These guys have played in this country for over a decade and now they aren't eligible because of their first class careers that ended in the early 2000s. At least the NCU committee men that led the meetings got their way in the end.

NCU Statement on Home Office Visa Applications & Player Registration
NCU Domestic Cricket Directorate
Statement from Neil Matthews on behalf of the NCU Domestic Cricket Directorate

"Within the past two weeks, the Union has been made aware that the Home Office is interpreting 'professional cricketer' as including anyone who has ever played First-Class cricket, regardless of how long ago, or how many or few times. In these circumstances, the Union has concluded that it cannot permit the registration of any such player who is in the United Kingdom on a Standard Visitor Visa."

"Clubs should understand that if a registered player has his SVV revoked for reasons of which a club was, or should have been aware, then the Union is likely to consider the Club to have committed a disciplinary offence for which the potential penalties are set out in the Disciplinary Bye-laws."

Wilfy

We're going round in circles here, it is not a legitimate visa to coach and play cricket that's the problem! Those who have bought overseas are not on a level playing field with those who have decided to abide by the law.

You cannot argue that what these clubs are doing is illegal and it is a shame for NCU cricket as a whole, I can only see this ending badly.

I cannot help but feel that if this was a premier league matter the issue would have been resolved a lot sooner.

Colin - many years ago and in a different dispensation, if the Government were considering changes to legislation, the draft proposals were promulgated to the various agencies for comment with regard to the feasibility of enforcement. The Regulations, as I understand and read them, apply to all 'adult' cricket. The situation that I see it is that CI want everybody to play to the same Regulations so that there is a seamless change between playing League cricket & the Inter-Pros. The fact that this applies to only approx. 10% of all players seems to have escaped the legislators. Two 4th XIs playing social cricket without official umpires may have a different view but we are where we are.

Pot stirrers
To call a guy who has entered the country with a legitimate visa an "illegal immigrant " sounds a bit racist to me !
Next thing we know he will be looking the NCU to punish Muckamore for using an "illegal immigrant" to gain promotion last year , or for a matter of fact Derriaghy the year before . Maybe punish Academy for using an "illegal immigrant " to gain promotion to section 1 a few years ago !!
Or what about the run rate saga between Laurelvale and Saintfield , when Saintfield in the end gained promotion even though they had an "illegal immigrant " playing that year !
Maybe if the pot stirrer put as much time coaching at schools and at their own clubs as the so called "illegal immigrants " , there would be no need for clubs to look abroad